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Bob Bishop about Traditional Fly Fishing Only
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Erik Helm about Traditional Fly Fishing Only
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Monday, November 17. 2008
Recently I submitted a petition for a rule change to the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department. This change, should it be implemented, will radically alter the fishing - both in terms of technique and impact upon the fisheries - of a number of fine streams currently designated as "Fly Fishing Only" in this State. I hope that the fly fishermen of NH will give it their support; however, I am also curious whether readers in other States and countries find the concept of "Traditional Fly Fishing Only" useful.
Of course, petitions do not necessarily resemble the final presentation to the public; nor the rule as implemented. However, the substance of the petition is as follows:
Petition for Adoption of Rules – New Rule for Fly Fishing Only Streams*********
Readers, let me know what you think, either by submitting a comment to this post or by email at email@example.com.
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I think this is a wonderful idea, and I would support it if I lived in New Hampshire. The benefit to the fisheries would be well worth it. I think your plan probably holds nearer the original intent of Fly Fishing Only waters than what is currently allowed. I mean, what's the point of Fly Fishing Only waters if you're basically tossing the same hardware available to other types of fishing? Good luck with the petition,
Thanks, I appreciate the support. I am encouraged at present by the reception within NH. Within thirty days I should hear from the Dept. of Fish and Game regarding their thoughts. If they decide to put it before the public for discussion then the rules process begins; otherwise, it dies immediately.
Yes, best of luck with your petition. Something like this was actually put into place on the Rogue River in Oregon several years back. No steelhead fishing with weighted flies and/or sink tip lines also known as dredging. On the Deschutes River in Oregon you cannot fish from a boat only on foot. Until anglers started using spey rods on trout this at least gave them the haven of the river's center. Also I've often thought that we need to close all streams for an off season. So despite the year round fishing available to me I've taken the winter off the last few years. I kinda like it this way.
Re: the steelhead I may the wrong river, it may actually be the North Umpqua. Regardless I think it's a good idea. I should also mention the Metolius River in Central Oregon. Years ago the state decided to manage this for wild trout and stopped stocking it. The also put into place a regulation forbidding the use of added weight such as split shot. Of course that doesn't prevent the use of heavily weighted flies but I think it does help. It's taken a few years but the wild trout population is doing fine now.
Again best wishes for your petition. I was thinking though that some may see your proposal as an example of fly fishing elitism rather than the conservation measure it actually is.
I only fish drys and soft hackles. Do I get shunked ? You bet. The last trout I took on the North Fork that flows though Pine Valley where I live was November 3, 2008. It is always enjoyable to find another who feels the same way. I wish you a lot of luck.
I have never seen a situation here in Maine where designating waters as Fly Fishing only have increased the traffic. For some reason, when people around here see Fly Fishing Only, they automatically assume that the area has been fished out. I really have no problems letting them think exactly that!
IMHO more c&r waters it' a better idea. fish don't disappear from the water fast because people are catching them with nymphs or weighted line, but because people are keeping them. and fishing illegally, with worms on FFO waters. fishing with dries and non-weighted lines or flies will only reduce the season to a few months, when most of the hatches happen and will create more frustration over the rest of the time. I fish 90% of the time with heavy nymphs because fish feed 90% of the time with nymphs on the bottom. sorry but i think that "traditional FF" is just an obsolete way to catch fish on a fly. and promoting it in the detriment of other techniques will limit progress. it's like telling a bass fisherman that they cannot catch bass on soft plastics or spinnerbaits anymore.
european countries with TRADITION in fly fishing have more and bigger fish than NH, in waters that are waaaay more crowded. and guess what: traditional there means heavy nymphing....
You raise some interesting points. True, fish disappear fast if people break the law and use illegal methods. However, the fish population also declines in average number, condition, weight, and ability to spawn, when injured by hooks, removed from the water for photos, and stressed by the fight. So, Catch And Release is not a panacea. Further, most fishermen who extol catch and release are of the order of the fish-hawg, those who aren't satisfied with catching, after great difficulty - through patience and skill - a few trout, they want a thirty, fifty, or more fish day to brag about. How many of those fish die a few days later? We don't know.
The virtue of traditional FF as outlined above is its pure conservation of fish by providing a sanctuary.
You speak of European countries with a tradition of fly fishing. Well, what about Germany - catch and release is illegal, but the fishing is still good. : )
As for the traditional FF (as outlined above) "creating more frustration", that is simply calling us to develop more patience, skill, and humility - something that will benefit all of us, I'm sure. If you want "easy" fishing, there are some "pay-to-catch" ponds available with guarantees that you will catch fish.
germans and norwegians have laws against catch and release in europe. but what they say is that once you catch your 2 fish you have to get out of the river. Sometimes that can be after 2 minutes of fishing. I don't want to drive few hundreds miles just to fish 2 minutes. and I think nobody can force me to kill the fish. that's why a law like that is unfair.
about fish that die secondary to wounds caused by hooks, or too much time out of the water, if you have a proper C&R technique this should not happen or happen rarely.
now about NH waters. the only waters that have fish in the fall are the c&r rivers. the other ones are wiped out 2 weeks after the stocking ended. at least in my area.
and which fisherman is more skilled? one that uses over and over a technique that works just sometimes, hoping to catch a fish? or somebody that can read the water, locate the fish and use the right technique to get the fly to it, to be able to catch it? if the fish don't feed at the surface you can be best dry fly fisherman in the world and will not catch any.
about c&r fish hawgs, I think it has nothing to do with c&r or with heavy nymphing. it's a matter of personal choice and ethics.
A wonderful proposal. I've been starting to think along these lines myself. Although I will dredge the bottom with split shot and streamers for early season stockers, I've begun to fish over wild fish and in c and r sections with no weight. I'm not sure why. I know the idea of sanctuaries didn't enter consciously into my thinking. Somehow, fishing this way just seems more sporting and more in line with the traditions of the sport. As Silvester Nemes supposedly commented about bead head flies, "Why don't you just buy a spinning rod." Best of luck in your endeavor.
Very well done!
I would never have thought that this kind of regulation was necessary until recently fly fishing underwent a sort of hybridization of sorts. Using modern technology and products to take the fly to places unreachable in the past and making it all 'easier'.
There is a place for this, but also must be a place for pure traditional fly fishing and the restraint and sporting ethic embodied in it.
I think this is a very good idea. I live in Newfoundland and fish mainly for Atlantic salmon. The rules for salmon fishing here are somewhat similar. Single hook barbless fly, no weight on the hook or the leader and only one fly at a time are Provincial regulations and the use of sinking lines (even sink tips) to get a fly deep are "frowned upon" shall we say, by other anglers, who are not shy retiring types. It is a very traditional form of salmon fishing even though a very large proportion of fish are taken on dry flies, mainly Bombers and (salmon) Bugs.
A similar course of action was espoused by Conrad Voss Bark in one of his books, starting with the question, "What is a fly?". His personal choice was the avoidance of weight and artificial materials and the use of old established (like 100 year old) patterns of wet flies and dries. Very traditional!
How has this worked out?
What has come of this proposal?
I am greatly in favor of this approach to fly fishing for our streams. I find it is the heart and soul of American fly fishing.
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